tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post9102489730885724530..comments2023-04-13T04:39:53.556-05:00Comments on The Stuff I Think About: petuniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01329221084413499431noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-11125213735887136942007-05-11T17:02:00.000-05:002007-05-11T17:02:00.000-05:00Gershom...nice to see you! I agree that a complete...Gershom...nice to see you! I agree that a complete assessment of the family should be done and services provided that aid in alleviating the conditions that made the children unsafe while in their mother's care. That takes time, creative energy, commitment, and resources. Most children do end up back with their parents - believe it or not! In fact, I would say the vast majority do and probably some that shouldn't have. It is not a perfect science yet but the development of risk assessment tools are evolving. The goal is to get children into a safe, stable and permanent home environment as soon as possible - that usually being the home they were removed from or a relative if possible.Doughnuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00100398955132921465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-36555982349801867362007-05-11T16:49:00.000-05:002007-05-11T16:49:00.000-05:00I think what needs to be addressed is the fact tha...I think what needs to be addressed is the fact that these girls, haven't been treated right obviously to be doing things like this. When do we stop making more problmes in the family and leaving it at that, and start healing the problems themselves. It could be generations of problems, but we need to help these people with their problems instead of soley taking their children away and causing more problems on each. I'm not saying these kids should have been left with their abusive mothers, but just separating them and not doing any follow up care to either is only going to cause more problems to each in the future. <BR/><BR/>When do we begin healing?Gershom Kaligawahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16706642753832885880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-73877844382531235682007-05-11T15:48:00.000-05:002007-05-11T15:48:00.000-05:00Many girls who get pregnant at 12 are victims of i...Many girls who get pregnant at 12 are victims of incest or rape or both. I'm not saying all of them but many.<BR/><BR/>It's a scary world we're living in.Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635877618193159522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-71100162203722808522007-05-11T15:28:00.000-05:002007-05-11T15:28:00.000-05:00I didn't get the sense that petunia was saying tha...I didn't get the sense that petunia was saying that these children should be taken from their mothers due to their age. I think she was just relaying two horrible instances of abuse as is pertinent to the ongoing discussion. <BR/><BR/>As far as who should determine which children are placed....that's up to the social agencies in charge in each county or state. It is not a perfect system, but then again, there is not a lot of public support or resources, either. Sometimes I wonder.....if we put more money into support and resources for those who watch over our children, would they be, not only safer, but also more often re-unified with parents who love them and truly need help in raising them.....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04751055983611611250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-408932783863358682007-05-11T15:14:00.000-05:002007-05-11T15:14:00.000-05:00I don't think anyone should rais e a child that wo...I don't think anyone should rais e a child that would endanger them like this...not because of their age. I would have to think more about the age thing. There are 14 year olds who could raise a child with help but others who barely can take care of themselves. It's just a mystery to me how these young girls are living if they are getting pregnant at 12.petuniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01329221084413499431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-38501702106234834222007-05-11T15:07:00.000-05:002007-05-11T15:07:00.000-05:00That is horrible!But I'm confused. Are you saying ...That is horrible!<BR/>But I'm confused. Are you saying children should automatically be taken from their teenage mothers simply because of their age? <BR/>I have a good friend who was raised by his single mother who had him at fifteen. He has had a good life, went to college, spent some time as a rock star and is now a music producer. I do not believe he has suffered any abuse in his life at the hands of his mother. Should he have been taken away at birth because of her age and the off chance that she might abuse him?<BR/>My amom's mom had her at seventeen. Should she have not been allowed to keep her?<BR/>How do you determine who is fit to raise their child and who is not fit? How do you draw the line and when?<BR/>I see you pointing out a problem here but I'd like to hear your solutions.Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12635877618193159522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-42458828814459443682007-05-11T14:57:00.000-05:002007-05-11T14:57:00.000-05:00In cases of severe abuse where parents are given t...In cases of severe abuse where parents are given time, opportunities and resources to improve and do not, there is little choice but to terminate parental rights. I have been involved with a number of cases directly where I have recommended TPR (termination of parental rights). In a lot of cases, the parents see the proverbial "hand writing on the wall" and voluntarily give up their rights before it gets to an involuntary termination. <BR/><BR/>However, I would like to know additional information on each of the cases Petunia mentioned. The mother who jumped out of a 2 story window with her baby probably has a severe mental health problem and/or could have been under the influence of some substance. Without knowing more about the other 11 children and her history of parenting, one could not rule out that this incident could be isolated - but nonethess life threatening to her and the baby. It is as mometc said: "a no brainer" in terms of placing the child to protect him/her. <BR/><BR/>Same goes for the second case. Dunking a child in a pot of boiling water indicates she had a very deluded view of her child. Again, was she on drugs, mentally ill or just overly stressed. More likely a combination of some or all the above. <BR/><BR/>Both are very sad situations that demanded placement of the children for their protection. I would like to believe that every resource is being made available to treat the children and their parents so that this doesn't ever happen again.<BR/><BR/>I can tell you that federal regulations (Safe and Stable Families Act) requires social services to diligently work on reunifying children with their parents unless it is unsafe to do so. If that cannot be accomplished within a set time frame and/or there is insufficient progress toward that goal by the parents, a petition to terminate their parental rights can and should be filed according to law.Doughnuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00100398955132921465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20040504.post-39404938067765603522007-05-11T10:41:00.000-05:002007-05-11T10:41:00.000-05:00The line should have been drawn a while ago in the...The line should have been drawn a while ago in the two examples you give. You would think people would see this as a no brainer.MomEtc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11318169504182991122noreply@blogger.com